So this evangelical Protestant group called Quiverfull feels it necessary to have armies of children so they may act as arrows to sling at their enemies. Nice, use your child as a weapon. That happened here in Erie last year and it didn’t turn out too good for anyone involved, especially the kid.
Anyhoo-this woman (from the Duggar Family, I’ll get to them in a minute) over the summer had her 17th child and excitedly claims that she’s “ready for another!”. I cringed and let it slide at the time, until I saw another family of these kid mongers (12 by the way) up close and personal as they took over a cafe I was in this past weekend.
This just goes against all laws of human nature. First, women are not meant to pop out that many kids. In antiquity, yes, women had many children but this was spread out over many, many years and due to the fact that most children did not live past early childhood. Also, back a little further, women nursed their children until five or six years of age and, hence, did not have that many.
But getting back to the Duggars. I’m not sure what it is that bothers me so much about this family. What is it to me if they have 17 kids? They’re not public assistance. The kids (as they are portrayed in the media) seem clean, well-fed, well-mannered, and mature. I’m not at all crazy about their conservative, religious leanings, but I’m proof that a parent’s beliefs do not necessarily pass on to the next generation.
So I guess it comes down to these few things:
1. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. My good friend is a teacher with three small children at home and she constantly tells me what a struggle it is to provide individual attention to 3 kids let alone the 16 kids in her first grade class. Can you imagine being a parent who home-schools (part of the Quiverfull practice) all 17 of their kids? According to the Duggars, each child receives a scheduled one half-hour a month with a parent for individual attention. Uh, yeah, score one for spontaneity.
2. It’s environmentally unfriendly. We’re already an overpopulated planet. Enough said.
3. These are children, not a dog and pony act. I think it’s disgusting that every time Michelle Duggars proves her uterus miraculously still works, she hauls out her brood in front of the media and shows them off like a prized pet, or in this case, a working farm. Way to make a kid feel special.
And for the record, naming 17 of your progeny with monikers starting with the same first letter isn’t clever or cute, it’s weird and it’s lazy.
So I’m in this cafe with the Super Breeding Quiverfull Family of 14 and while some people giggled at the father trying to remember one his daughters’ first name, I focused instead on the incredibly sad look on the girl’s face and she corrected him no less than three times. But who is this kid to expect to feel special when she exists soley as a fullfillment of a mission?
I’m one of 5 siblings. Sailor Man is an only child. I couldn’t imagine growing up in a smaller family. I certainly wouldn’t want to grow up in a household like that.

24 comments
November 21, 2007 at 2:29 pm
pistolpete
I like your blog. I used to live near Erie. Nice place.
While I would much prefer someone adopt 17 kids than give birth to them, I know some parents who have 12 or more and do a great job raising their children to be responsible, caring, creative, contributing citizens.
I think one question you don’t raise here that I find particularly troubling is that often I’ve found people who are the staunchest pro-choice advocates when it comes to abortion are the staunchest critics of those who choose to give birth to large families. Why would this be?
November 21, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Ralph
Just a thought: I’m not for or against big families, but I think when you get in a large family situation like that, the brothers and sisters make up for some of theindividual attention that the parents can’t give.
November 21, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Melissa
All I have to say is…
VAGINA: NOT a clown car!
November 21, 2007 at 3:05 pm
inmate1972
Pete: there are large families and then there are ridiculous families. My concern is for those children. A sibling does not make up for the attention and guidance of a parent, the maturity level just isn’t there. And how many of those kids are being forced into early parenthood by having to help to take care of all those siblings?
Children grow up so fast these days. I’m not saying responsibility is bad but that would be a level above and beyond.
Of course, I admit I may be speaking out of turn. I don’t know the family dynamics.
November 21, 2007 at 3:06 pm
inmate1972
Melissa: I think we saw the same site!!!
http://flickr.com/photos/dulamae/175866636/
November 21, 2007 at 6:19 pm
Melissa
That’s the one! I didn’t realize that was the Duggar family in that photo until today…
November 21, 2007 at 6:37 pm
titus2woman
So sorry you feel this way. I am reminded of Mother Theresa saying something like, “Saying there are too many children is like saying there are too many flowers.” (((((HUGS))))) sandi
November 21, 2007 at 6:44 pm
inmate1972
Again, I refer you back to point #2 in the blog.
November 21, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Ron
I don’t know whether to feel terrified or relieved at the fact that they’re all being home schooled. I saw this family on some TLC or Discovery special – Even then I knew they were irresponsible, especially when they were making the older kids parent and “teach” the younger kids.
November 21, 2007 at 8:17 pm
inmate1972
I think the beleife is that homeschooling keeps them “indoctrinated” to the cause. It’s terrifying that those kids don’t get to see a world outside of that small microcosm.
November 21, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Melissa
I wonder, ten years from now, how many of those children will go off into the world and pull a 180 in their lifestyle? Everyone can smile and look pretty for the camera, but I wonder if there’s some despair lurking below the surface of some of the younger women. I wonder how much those girls REALLY like raising their infant siblings…
November 21, 2007 at 9:18 pm
Melissa
I’d like to also point out the environmental waste associated with all the dirty diapers of these kids…90,000 estimated diapers! Holy sh*t! (No pun intended)
November 21, 2007 at 11:32 pm
Andrea
I was thinking the clown car comment before I saw Melissa made it first. And overpopulation. Period. Americans take up a ton of natural resources and by having 17, it is just hideous. It’s like slapping the earth in the face. Hideous.
November 22, 2007 at 12:56 am
Emma
I couldn’t agree with you more, inmate. I feel sorry for those kids and I think parents who would put 17 kids in that situation are more interested in following their religious doctrine so they themselves can earn their way into heaven (or whatever reward they’re trying to achieve) than they are in the human beings they have created. A half an hour of one-on-one time PER MONTH? That’s seriously fucked up.
November 22, 2007 at 4:17 pm
titus2woman
Not everyone believes in overpopulation.
Anyway, hope y’all have a great Thanksgiving! (((((HUGS))))) sandi
November 23, 2007 at 4:06 pm
inmate1972
right, keep thinking that as the world runs dangerously short on dirnking water.
December 2, 2007 at 9:23 pm
Johanna
World is overpopulated by black and chinese. White people are the ones disappearing, if you dont believe check the statistics. And wether you like it or not, its he white people who do something for the planet.
January 1, 2008 at 8:49 pm
alecialudwickjones
I’m going to add a link to this entry. Great one.
January 1, 2008 at 8:50 pm
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January 7, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Mamaofabunch
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but get the facts straight. Breastfeeding to 5 and 6 has not been the norm for human development. Breastfeeding also does not necessarily equate to delayed fertility return, especially when bfing into the 2nd plus years — trust me I know for sure! Not every woman is blessed w that form of birth control.
Over population is a misguided thought. Do a little research on the topic — read a bit by Glenn Beck on it. You are wrong, there is not a problem. In fact, the world is not meeting mins to remain at the current level of populous. Remember how our Social Security system works? New workers pay for current retired folks and guess why there is such a fuss? Not enough up and coming workers due to the 1970s liberal feminist movements to pay for the baby boomers retirements. Over poplulation? So, not! Be thankful for those QFs they will be paying for your retirment via the SS system if it last through the current problem of lack of workers.
Women are reclaiming their roles as mothers and providers of nuturing their children in their homes and we are being defamed for it. We can do it all, we just can’t do it all at the same time. Delaying having children into the mid-30s is disasterous on our medical system! Have your kids, then your career if you wish. But don’t wait until you’re 35 to think about children — you are setting yourself up for increased mental defect, increased premature births, increased c-sections, etc.
I am not of the QF movement, however, I do have many children. I believe it is unnatural to use birth control, just as I believe it is unnatural to consume HFCS, GMOs, and pumped up hormone and antibiotic fed animal meat. I do not homeschool, even though I certainly could, quite well. I have a bachelor’s in business and a masters in education! I even taught school for a time and plan to teach at the university level when I return to the work force. I do consider myself a conservative Christian.
Liberals, you can’t beat them — Out Breed them!!! Liberals surely are having kids and think of them as a burden, it will be their demise b/c they are not raising followers of their movement. Think about it!
January 7, 2008 at 3:48 pm
inmate1972
Some Points of Rebuttal Momma:
Sure, have more kids instead reforming an antiquated social system, is a completely logical solution to the problem.
I have no issue with women staying at home with their children if that is their choice. At no point in that entry did I say otherwise.
And at no point did I question the overall value of Home Schooling, the issue is with indoctrination.
You are certainly right about Birth Control in the respect that current methods do more harm than good, and it may be unnatural but so are eyeglasses and I doubt you’ll see people giving those up any time soon.
And Liberals can certainly level the playing field by adopting all those kids out there who desperately need a home.
I come from a large extended family and I wouldn’t give that up for the world, I do though, question the ethics and morals of 17 children to one family,and the chances (which I see as not good) of those children having a normal and healthy upbringing.
Good luck with your brood.
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